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The Case for R/S: Version 2.5

Elwing
I've written an essay detailing why I believe in Remus/Sirius.

EDIT: This is now the second draft. Not sure yet whether there will be a third, but any changes I make to the original will be put up here within a week and if they're lsignificant I'll change the entry title.

It's now Version 2.5. I've added a quote from one of my fellow shippers, plus a few extra bits here and there.

EDIT (30 July 2004): If you would like to use this essay at your personal website, please feel free. You don't need to ask my permission, though I do ask that you give me credit, or just link back here. Otherwise, let us spread the Puppylove!

EDIT (Just after HBP): *Sigh* Well, I guess that's about it for canon Remus/Sirius. I'm not so stubborn as to keep saying, "Well, it COULD have happened at school!" or whatever. I know when I'm beat. :) I'm not going to throw any tantrums or say JKR made the wrong decision; I have always seen Remus and Sirius as friends, first and foremost, and will continue to do so.

Congratulations, Remus/Tonks shippers. I can't quite say I'm happy your ship has been made canon, ;) but well done nevertheless. I am happy that Remus is getting some love, because he certainly needs it.

I'm leaving this essay up for posterity. Mock at will, or instead see it as my canon-based reasons for continuing to ship Remus/Sirius in fanon. In my mind, they still have potential, unrealised or not, and what is fanfic for if not to explore potential?

Thanks to everyone who left comments on this essay; to all those I converted, I'm terribly sorry for leading you astray. And now I'm off to read HBP again. Ciao. :)

EDIT the last, 27-11-2007: Since I've not been responding to most comments, this is largely to say a sweeping "thank you" to everyone who's read and replied to this over the four years (four years!) since I posted it. I hope anyone stumbling over it now, after the series is complete, gets some enjoyment out of it, even if it's of the pointing-and-laughing variety. I hope, whatever your reaction, you'll bear in mind that it is years old, written when I was young and eager and sheltered; my opinions aren't necessarily anything like they used to be. I've considered deleting this a few times, but people still seem to be discovering it, and it's how I made a lot of friends, and anyway, it always annoys me when things I remember reading disappear without a trace. So here it will stay for as long as is reasonable - and here I will stop rambling, which I'm still bad at doing.


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The Case For R/S
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One of the things I have always liked about JKR's style is that, in the books, at least, she doesn't spoon-feed her reader. (I won't discuss the interviews at this point. I believe books should be able to stand alone, without the author's commentary, and still be complete.) The plot is always stated outright at the end, but when it comes to her characters, it's up to us to make our own choices. All we get is Harry's opinion; beyond that, we must decide for ourselves how to view characters. Is Draco redeemable? Was Tom Riddle always evil? Could Ron ever betray Harry and Hermione? Could Remus and Sirius be lovers?

All of these questions interest me greatly, but it's the last one I'll be discussing here. Be warned: this essay is both very long and very biased. I ship R/S — otherwise known as the 'One True Way', 'Puppy Love', 'HMS Wolfstar' and 'Wow, You Have A Point There!'

JKR is ambiguous on it. We cant prove either way. You can hate this ship or love it, but you can't prove we're not right. Just as we can't prove you aren't.

This will be an analysis of the characters and of the canon we have, followed by a few more general comments. Admittedly, even after OotP, we still don't have much canon of Remus and Sirius together. That saddens me. But I think what we have is enough. Bold will indicate the beginning and end of a quote from the book.

I'll try to be discriminating. I'm not going to go hunting for every single thing they ever say to one another and say "SEE! SEE! THEY'RE IN LOVE!" I shall try to pick quotes that actually demonstrate something so you won't have to wade through an essay of random squealing.

I'm rather hoping it'll convert somebody, :) and I'll begin with a bit of a joke.

"And Professor Lupin stepped over you, and walked towards the Dementor and pulled out his wand," said Hermione. "And he said, 'None of us is hiding Sirius Black under our cloaks...'"
PoA, p67, UK; p85, US

Well. Not yet, at least. ;)

Right. To business. And I'll warn you now, this is long. Sixteen pages in WordPerfect.

I'll start with Remus. Sorry, forgive me, Professor R.J. Lupin, as we are introduced to him. A young man with grey in his hair, shabby robes, a battered suitcase tied with neatly knotted string, and a whole lot of charisma. He can be alert and wary, five seconds after waking up and finding himself in the dark, surrounded by clumsy, anxious teenagers. He can handle Dementors, remaining calm the whole time, and give out chocolate to said teenagers. He can deal with Peeves in a second, and smile about it. He gives Harry a cup of tea. He is, from the beginning, the best Defence Against the Dark Arts teacher Harry has ever had.

But he is also a mysterious character. He smiles a lot, and talks 'mildly' a great deal; he is never openly hostile to anyone, even when they are hostile to him; he trusts Snape enough to drink that potion, even though Snape obviously detests him; and he is very, very evasive.

"Some people reckon — " Harry hesitated, then plunged recklessly on, "some people reckon [Snape would] do anything to get the Defence Against the Dark Arts job."

Lupin drained the goblet and pulled a face.

"Disgusting," he said. "Well, Harry, I'd better get back to work. I'll see you at the feast later."

PoA, p118, UK edition

What does this have to do with Sirius? Nothing. But this scene is very important in terms of characterisation of Remus. From this we can see that, when a subject comes up that he doesn't want to discuss, he evades. He pretends no one said anything. He gets the enquirer away from him at top speed. Remus is a grand master at avoiding sensitive issues, and no wonder.

Onwards and upwards.

"You remember the conversation we had, Headmaster, just before — ah — the start of term?" said Snape, who was barely opening his lips, as though trying to block Percy out of the conversation.

"I do, Severus," said Dumbledore, and there was something like warning in his voice.

"It seems — almost impossible — that Black could have entered the castle without inside help. I did express my concerns when you appointed — "

"I do not believe a single person inside this castle would have helped Black enter it," said Dumbledore, and his tone made it so clear that the subject was closed that Snape didn’t reply.

PoA, p124, UK; p166, US

Aha. Intriguing. There's really only one person this could be talking about, isn't there? Remus Lupin, the newly-appointed DADA professor. And Snape seems to think he might have been helping Sirius enter the castle? Now, that is interesting.

Considering what we know, no matter how much Snape hated Remus, I don't see why he would really believe this. Sirius, as far as everyone believes, betrayed two of Remus's best friends and killed another one, leaving him alone for twelve years. Remus ought to hate him.

But I admit I'm stretching here. Snape isn't a particularly good judge of character. This is only me, from my shippy point of view, being optimistic. There's better stuff later. In fact... why, here's something.

"Azkaban must be terrible," Harry muttered. Lupin nodded grimly.

"The fortress is set on a tiny island, way out to sea, but they don't need walls and water to keep their prisoners in, not when they're all trapped inside their own heads, incapable of a single cheerful thought. Most of them go mad within weeks."

"But Sirius Black escaped from them," Harry said slowly. "He got away..."

Lupin's briefcase slipped from the desk; he had to stoop quickly to catch it.

PoA, p140, UK; p188, US

Here's another fact about Remus Lupin: he is very self-controlled. He rarely lets his guard down. His deeper emotions don't often show through. But here, he drops his briefcase at the mere mention of Sirius's name. A strong reaction for him. And he seems to have a habit of doing this sort of thing — but more on that later.

Also — another titbit for those already converted, but not anything that's going to sway a non-believer — it sounds as if he's spent an awful lot of time thinking about the conditions in Azkaban. Don't you think?

Moving on.

"Naturally," said Madam Rosmerta, with a small laugh. "Never saw one without the other, did you? The number of times I had them in here — ooh, they used to make me laugh. Quite the double act, Sirius Black and James Potter!"

Harry dropped his tankard with a loud clunk. Ron kicked him.

"Precisely," said Professor McGonagall. "Black and Potter. Ringleaders of their little gang..."

[snip]

"You'd have thought Black and Potter were brothers!" chimed in Professor Flitwick. "Inseparable!"

PoA, p152, UK

Okay, I know what you're thinking: 'What's she quoting that bit for? That's hardly supporting her ship!'

Oh, but it is. To me, the fact that Remus isn't mentioned once in this little sequence is... very strange, to say the least. We have seen how close he and Sirius were. There's an amazing bond between them. Didn't that merit a mention? Did they only become close after Hogwarts? Why wasn't Remus included in this?

I have a suggestion. The wizarding world seems to be pretty old-fashioned in its views on many things. In the seventies, even in the Muggle world, many homosexuals were very quiet about their orientation. It was becoming more accepted, but not nearly so accepted as it is today. It hadn't been so very long since homosexuality was considered a disease.

So, if Remus and Sirius were a couple at Hogwarts, they would probably have kept it very secret, and so their relationship would have been viewed very differently by outsiders.

But that, too, could perhaps be seen as stretching. So, roll on the next quote.

"Professor Lupin?" [Harry] said. "If you knew my dad, you must've known Sirius Black as well."

Lupin turned very quickly.

"What gives you that idea?" he said sharply.

"Nothing — I mean, I just knew they were friends at Hogwarts, too..."

Lupin's face relaxed.

"Yes, I knew him," he said shortly. "Or I thought I did. You'd better get off, Harry, it's getting late."

PoA, p179-180, UK; p242-243, US

Wow. There is so much in this. I'll try to deal with it in an organised way.

Turning 'very quickly', speaking 'sharply'... that's another of those cases where his control slips. Another uncharacteristically emotional reaction. And he keeps doing this. He doesn't do it when James is mentioned — just Sirius.

And then, That Line. "I knew him... Or I thought I did." That's horribly sad. That’s bitter. That's blaming himself, not Sirius. That's 'I should have seen', as opposed to 'I'll never understand why I didn't see' (that’s what Sirius says to Peter). Remus never says that kind of thing about Peter. It implies something much deeper.

And then the next bit. "You'd better be off, Harry, it's getting late." How's that for a prime example of Remus Lupin's Patented Evasive Manoeuvring? Perfectly sound reasoning, perfectly acceptable thing to say — but what he's really saying is, "All right, that's enough, I don't want to talk about this, go away and come back when I've regained control over myself."

Next.

Lupin drank a little more Butterbeer, then said, "It's the fate that awaits Sirius Black. It was in the Daily Prophet this morning. The Ministry had given the Dementors permission to perform it if they find him."

Harry sat stunned for a moment at the idea of someone having their soul sucked out through their mouth. But then he thought of Black.

"He deserves it," he said suddenly.

"You think so?" said Lupin lightly. "Do you really think anyone deserves that?"

"Yes," said Harry defiantly. "For... for some things..."

PoA, p183, UK; p247, US

Righty-ho. This is another one of those little segments that's jam-packed with stuff, so I'll try my best to be clear.

This time, Remus is the one who brings up the topic of Sirius. Why? He obviously doesn't like it when Harry starts it, so why should he give Harry the opening? I say inconsistency in a character is a sign that something more-than-meets-the-eye is going on. Like Ron suddenly gaining an intense dislike of Krum. Like Harry realising that Cedric doesn't have enough brains to fill an eggcup. Like Hagrid wearing eau de cologne and trying to comb his hair. Like Ginny going quiet, blushing and putting her elbow in the butter dish.

And all of Remus's inconsistency is focused around Sirius.

Then, he speaks 'lightly'. Speaking lightly is something Remus does when he's stepping up his self-restraint. This light, mild, nothing-bothers-me-or-shocks-me-or-gets-beneath-my-skin is his default setting. He uses it in unpleasant, upsetting situations in which he doesn't dare to let his true feelings show up.

And then he asks Harry whether Sirius deserves it. And Harry says yes, defiantly — which shows that the answer Remus wanted to hear is 'no'. You can't defy someone and give them what they want at the same time. Remus wanted Harry to say no, and Harry is defiant.

But tell me. Since when is Remus Lupin against capital punishment for the man who betrayed his best friends? He's certainly willing to kill an unarmed Peter Pettigrew, in front of three teenagers, no less. Another inconsistency.

The door of the room burst open in a shower of red sparks and Harry wheeled around as Professor Lupin came hurtling into the room, his face bloodless, his wand raised and ready. His eyes flickered over Ron, lying on the floor, over Hermione, cowering next to the door, to Harry, standing there with his wand covering Black, and then to Black himself, crumpled and bleeding at Harry's feet.

"Expelliarmus!" Lupin shouted.

PoA, p252, UK; p343, US

Wow! I got a high just from writing that. So much action in three sentences! There's just been nearly half a page of stillness, of Harry just standing over Sirius, and suddenly we have this explosion of movement. The description in this paragraph of Sirius and Remus is very physical, very vivid. Remus, 'hurtling', 'face bloodless', 'ready'. In contrast, Sirius, 'crumpled and bleeding'. Interesting — bloodless versus bleeding. Of course, I might be reading too much into that.

One thing I do notice is the order of the words. Remus's eyes 'flickered over' Hermione and Ron — very quick, very cursory, then 'to' Harry, and finally, as if it's the fulfilment of something, 'to' Sirius. As if it was Sirius he was looking for all along. Am I reading too much into it? Perhaps. But JKR is good at this, so perhaps not.

Lupin caught [the wands] deftly, then moved into the room, staring at Black...
PoA, p252, UK; p343, US

Ah, the start of great things. This is the first of many passages where Remus just looks at Sirius. He is described as looking at Sirius more than any other character. This is, to my mind, comparable with Ron, who spends a great deal of his time staring at Hermione.

Indeed, I did a survey. There are about forty-five pages where Remus and Sirius are together (that's in the British copies). During those forty-five pages they look at one another fifteen times. In forty-five pages, Ron and Hermione look at one another nine times and Harry and Hermione look at one another five times - and that's including quotes like "Harry looked at Ron and Hermione". If it were just "Harry / Ron looked at Hermione" the numbers would be even smaller.

Remus and Sirius look at one another so much it could almost be considered abnormal. I like to call it the "I-Can't-Take-My-Eyes-Off-You" syndrome. :)

Then Lupin spoke, in an odd voice, a voice that shook with some suppressed emotion. "Where is he, Sirius?"
PoA, p252, UK

*Lightning bolt to the forehead* That was when I knew, reading PoA for the first time, that Sirius Black was innocent, and Remus Lupin knew it. A voice that 'shook with some suppressed emotion'? If it were hatred or loathing or disgust or fear, Harry would have known it. The only reason I can think of that Harry wouldn't have been able to identify this suppressed emotion is that it was something that seemed completely out of context at the time. Like when he couldn't work out what he was feeling in OotP, when he was sensing Voldemort's emotions and they didn't tie in to what was happening.

And... Remus Lupin's voice shaking? Am I dreaming? Remus doesn't show that kind of emotion except when he's dealing with Sirius. With everyone else, he's calm and mild and in control. With Sirius, he's explosive. That, my friends, is what we call chemistry.

Funnily enough, it's not in the American version.

And then! The Decider, for me. "Where is he, Sirius?" Sweet mother of Cedric Diggory, what kind of question is that?! Sirius, as far as anyone knows, is a murderer, a Death Eater, a spy, a traitor of the very worst kind. Why not, "Where is he, Black?" in a cold, furious voice? Why not, "All right, Black, hand him over and I won't hurt you"? At this point, Remus doesn't know the circumstances, doesn't know Peter was the Secret Keeper — all he knows is that Peter is alive and that he, Harry, Hermione and Ron are all in the Shrieking Shack with a convicted murderer. And he addresses himself to Sirius, calling him by his first name, in a 'voice that shook with some suppressed emotion'. Ye gods. That is an anomaly.

Black's face was quite expressionless. For a few seconds, he didn't move at all. Then, very slowly, he raised his empty hand, and pointed straight at Ron. Mystified, Harry glanced around at Ron, who looked bewildered.

"But then..." Lupin muttered, staring at Black so intently it seemed he was trying to read his mind, "...why hasn't he shown himself before now? Unless — " Lupin’s eyes suddenly widened, as though he was seeing something beyond Black, something none of the rest could see, " — unless he was the one... unless you switched... without telling me?"

Very slowly, his sunken gaze never leaving Lupin's face, Black nodded.

PoA, p252, UK; p344, US

Wow. I don’t know about you, but I think the tension in that scene is incredible. There is so much going on beneath the surface. These two people are standing there, and they haven't seen each other for twelve years — and even after twelve years, even after all that time, they can still read each other.

Even though, to Harry, Sirius's face is 'expressionless', Remus can see something there that no one else can. He understands, even though he still doesn't know everything. It's like he's looking for a reason to trust Sirius, trying to think of any possible explanation that might make sense. It seems to me that he has a vested interest in believing that Sirius is innocent.

He and Sirius are still staring at each other. They are still absolutely focused on each other. These few lines are about them only; it doesn't matter that Harry and Ron are bewildered.

I don't think it matters how you interpret Sirius and Remus's relationship. This sequence is absolutely mind-blowing.

Moving on.

"Professor Lupin," Harry interrupted loudly, "what’s going — ?"

But he never finished the question, because what he saw made his voice die in his throat. Lupin was lowering his wand. Next moment, he had walked to Black's side, seized his hand, pulled him to his feet so that Crookshanks fell to the floor, and embraced Black like a lover.

PoA, p252, UK edition

*Glares around belligerently* That’s what my copy says, all right?

No, I'm lying. It says 'brother'. *Hangs head in shame*

Anyway. You might be surprised to hear that I don't view The Hug as ship evidence. It's my one favourite scene in the whole series, but I don't think it’s ship evidence. This entire scene is so charged, and the characters so close to breaking point, that I think Remus would have hugged anyone — James, Peter, Lily, Snape, Harry - when placed in that situation with them. Lovers or not.

Thing is, a lot of people cite this as evidence that their relationship is purely fraternal. I don't see why. For one thing, JKR had to write something. If she'd left those last three words off, the sentence would have sounded bare and wouldn't have had the same impact.

And okay, they're embracing like brothers. So? Does that simile then transform every single other interaction between them to a brotherly one? When Hermione looks at Harry as if worried for his sanity in PoA, does that mean that whenever she looks at him she's worried for his sanity, forever and ever, amen?

Perhaps that sounds silly, but think about it. Hermione kisses Harry and Ron on the cheek when they're stressed about something. That's quite a sisterly action, nai? But if it were described as such, would that then make you believe that everything Hermione does to Harry or Ron in future is going to be perfectly sisterly?

Or in general, if someone hugs their ex-boyfriend or -girlfriend in a friendly way, does that mean all their prior romantic behaviour is negated? Or would their friendly hug be automatically counted as romantic because they were once dating? Moreover, would a thirteen-year-old boy watching be able to tell the difference between the hug of two-best-friends and the hug of two-people-who-were-once-in-love?

Sirius and Remus are only described as being like brothers once. Otherwise their behaviour towards one another isn't qualified either way and is therefore still open for interpretation by us, the rabid shippers.

"You're wrong," said Lupin. "I haven't been Sirius's friend for twelve years, but I am now... let me explain..."
PoA, p253, UK; p345, US

Amazing, isn't it? Twelve years of hatred, bitterness, loneliness... and it's over in seconds. That kind of relationship cannot be dismissed. If it's platonic, it's outstanding. If it's romantic, it's still outstanding. Say what you will about the nature of their love, but they love each other. It cannot be denied.

"AND HE WAS WRONG!" Harry yelled. "YOU'VE BEEN HELPING HIM ALL THE TIME!" He was pointing at Black, who had crossed to the four-poster bed and sunk onto it, his face hidden in one shaking hand.
PoA, p254, UK; p346, US

Just another example of how much emotion there is in this scene. But I think it's interesting — when Sirius can't deal with something, Remus takes over. He handles it on Sirius's behalf. Even after this long, they're still a team. They still understand each other.

[Harry] pointed at Black, whose face twitched convulsively.

"I meant to," he growled, his yellow teeth bared, "but little Peter got the better of me... not this time, though!"

And Crookshanks was thrown to the floor as Black lunged at Scabbers; Ron yelled with pain as Black's weight fell on his broken leg.

"Sirius, NO!" Lupin yelled, launching himself forwards and dragging Black away from Ron again. "WAIT! You can't do it just like that — they need to understand — we've got to explain — "

"We can explain afterwards!" snarled Black, trying to throw Lupin off, one hand still clawing the air as it tried to reach Scabbers [snip].

"They've — got — a — right — to — know — everything!" Lupin panted, still trying to restrain Black. "Ron's kept him as a pet! There are parts of it even I don't understand! And Harry — you owe Harry the truth, Sirius!"

Black stopped struggling...

PoA, p256, UK; p349-350, US

Again, very physical. When Sirius is being too rash, Remus restrains him and knows what to say to placate him. And Sirius listens. I don't know whether anyone else could have got through to him at this stage, but I do think they would have had some difficulty — Sirius was not stable. Harry certainly shows himself of restraining Sirius from drawing his wand on Snape in OotP. Sirius and Remus complement and balance each other beautifully, I think.

"But apart from my transformations, I was happier than I had ever been in my life. For the first time ever, I had friends, three great friends. Sirius Black... Peter Pettigrew... and, of course, your father, Harry — James Potter..."
PoA, p259, UK; p354, US

Why mention Sirius first? It would, perhaps, have been logical to mention James first, as a talisman to help gain Harry's trust.

"All this year, I have been battling with myself, wondering whether I should tell Dumbledore that Sirius was an Animagus. But I didn't do it. Why? Because I was too cowardly. It would have meant admitting that I'd betrayed his trust while I was at school, admitting that I'd led others along with me..."
PoA, p260-261, UK; p356, US

But is that the only reason? We already know he didn't want Sirius to suffer the Dementor's Kiss. Maybe he really was protecting him.

BANG! Thin, snake-like cords burst from the end of Snape's wand and twisted themselves around Lupin's mouth, wrists and ankles; he over-balanced and fell to the floor, unable to move. With a roar of rage, Black started towards Snape, but Snape pointed his wand straight between Black's eyes.
PoA, p263-264, UK; p359, US

Again, I may be reading too much into this. But Sirius's reaction to this strikes me as very reminiscent of Ron's reactions when Draco insults Hermione.

Lupin was struggling against his bonds. Black bent down quickly and untied him.
PoA, p265-266, UK

*Grins sheepishly* I know it isn't much. It's just a nice moment, I think.

"...It didn't feel right. I was scared. I set out for your parents' house straight away. And when I saw their house, destroyed, and their bodies — I realised what Peter must have done. What I'd done.”

His voice broke. He turned away.

"Enough of this," said Lupin, and there was a steely note in his voice Harry had never heard before. "There's only one certain way to prove what really happened. Ron, give me that rat."

PoA, p268, UK; p365, US

Sirius nearly breaks down, and Remus takes over, again. And it’s Sirius's reaction that spurs him on to put an end to this. To me, that speaks of concern and protectiveness. It's partly Ron's concern for and protectiveness of Hermione that put me on the scent of R/Hr to begin with. I know many H/Hr shippers who have said that one of the main reasons they think Hermione likes Harry is that she is so concerned for his welfare.

In this case it could be platonic, of course. But I like to think it's not. :)

"Ready, Sirius?" said Lupin.

Black had already retrieved Snape's wand from the bed. He approached Lupin and the struggling rat, and his wet eyes suddenly seemed to be burning in his face.

"Together?" he said quietly.

"I think so," said Lupin...

PoA, p268, UK; p366, US

*Grin* I think so, too.

They say that twice. "Together?" "I think so." Each time, it's Sirius who initiates it, and Remus who gives confirmation. I think, perhaps, it's partly that Sirius wants reassurance. And perhaps it's also a kind of affirmation, a reassertion of their 'togetherness'.

Which is heavily emphasised. When dealing with Sirius and Remus, JKR uses a lot of phrases like 'side by side' and 'shoulder to shoulder' and 'together' and 'in one movement'.

"Well, hello, Peter," said Lupin pleasantly, as though rats frequently erupted into old schoolfriends around him. "Long time, no see."
PoA, p269, UK; p366, US

Well. That's a world away from "Where is he, Sirius?" in a voice that 'shook with some suppressed emotion'.

"Remus," gasped Pettigrew, and Harry could see beads of sweat breaking out over his pasty face, "you don't believe him, do you... He tried to kill me, Remus..."

"So we've heard," said Lupin, more coldly.

PoA, p269, UK; p367, US

Peter tries to undermine Remus's trust in Sirius, tries to assert the lie again. Remus's disposition becomes, at once, a great deal chillier.

"I, a spy for Voldemort? When did I ever sneak around people who were stronger and more powerful than myself? But you, Peter — I'll never understand why I didn't see you were the spy from the start. You always liked big friends who'd look after you, didn't you? It used to be us... me and Remus... and James..."
PoA, p271, UK; p369, US

"I'll never understand why I didn't see you were the spy from the start." Compare with "I knew him... Or I thought I did." Remarkably different. Sirius's remark is contemptuous. He turns it into an insult to Peter. Remus's was insulting himself, and it was bitter, never contemptuous. The same general meaning, very different emotions.

Also... "It used to be us... me and Remus... and James..." Me and Remus. Like a unit. Me and Remus... and James. Isn't that rather at odds with what we heard in the Three Broomsticks? Me and Remus vs Black and Potter. But this one is from an insider, as opposed to an outsider. This is how Sirius viewed the bonds. Sirius and Remus... and James. Interesting, no?

"Remus!" Pettigrew squeaked, turning to Lupin instead, writhing imploringly in front of him. "You don't believe this... Wouldn't Sirius have told you they'd changed the plan?"
PoA, p273, UK; p372, US

Another insider speaks. Peter obviously considered Remus and Sirius's relationship to be that close. In fact, when he's trying to get through to Remus, he pulls the Sirius card, so to speak. There is something between Sirius and Remus people seem to underestimate if they were not part of the clique.

Moreover, he specifically suggests that Sirius would have been the one to tell Remus about a change of plan.

"Not if he thought I was the spy, Peter," said Lupin. "I assume that's why you didn't tell me, Sirius?" he said casually over Pettigrew's head.
PoA, p273, UK; p372-373, US

I knew I had to bring this up, or someone else would. :) Really, this shows me only two things.

1. There are depths to Remus and Sirius's relationship that Peter didn't see, even when he was one of the gang.
2. Voldemort's gift for spreading discord and enmity is very great.

The atmosphere in the wizarding world during the first war was thick with mistrust. Dumbledore didn't trust Sirius. Sirius didn't trust Remus. Remus didn't trust Sirius. All in all, it was a horrible tangle of doubt and suspicion. But no one suspected Peter. Sirius was right — Peter was the perfect bluff. Unfortunately, Voldemort saw and exploited that bluff before anyone else.

I don't believe this demonstrates any peculiar lack of trust in Remus and Sirius's relationship, any more than the Cat-Rat Fight between Ron and Hermione demonstrates any particular flaw to their relationship. The fact is, both fights were over in seconds, all damage repaired, everything returned to its former state. That says more to me about the strength of their bond than anything that happened during the first war.

"Forgive me, Remus," said Black.

"Not at all, Padfoot, old friend," said Lupin, who was now rolling up his sleeves. "And will you, in turn, forgive me for believing you were the spy?"

"Of course," said Black, and the ghost of a grin flittered across his gaunt face. He, too, began rolling up his sleeves. "Shall we kill him together?"

"Yes, I think so," said Lupin grimly.

PoA, p273, UK; p373, US

*Sigh* Ah. It's beautiful. It warms the cockles of my heart.

"Padfoot, old friend" — double reassurance. The use of the old nickname and the friendly, familiar epithet. That is saying, indirectly, "Look. It's just as if nothing ever happened. We'll go back to being the same as we always were."

Sirius recognises it, I think. He smiles properly, for the first time.

And then, another display of solidarity. Another demonstration of their togetherness, using almost exactly the same wording. JKR is trying hard to hammer something home here — interpret it as you will.

Black and Lupin stood shoulder to shoulder, wands raised.

"You should have realised," said Lupin quietly. "If Voldemort didn't kill you, we would. Goodbye, Peter."

PoA, p275, UK; p374, US

*Kablink* Hang on. No "Do you really think anyone deserves that?" Come on, Remus, you're supposed to be our guide in the unfamiliar territory of Higher Morals and Not Lowering Yourself To Your Enemy's Level.

Aha. Another inconsistency. This one with big red flashing lights on it, IMHO. Remus's elevated moral standards only apply to Sirius.

Black and Lupin were looking at each other. Then, with one movement, they lowered their wands.
PoA, p275, UK; p376, US

This one really doesn't need any annotation.

I think that's it for PoA. After that, Remus transforms, and Sirius is mostly wrapped up with getting rescued. But considering we have only two chapters of Remus-Sirius interaction, there's a heck of a lot. This has reached twelve pages in WordPerfect.

Only one more point to make — dog and wolf. Both canines. Interesting, isn't it, that Sirius’s Animagus is — er — physically compatible with the werewolf?

*Smiles* Kidding.

Now. *Cracks knuckles, swings shoulders, makes a pot of tea* Onto OotP.

I loved OotP for R/S. I think it was brilliant. Perfect levels of ambiguity.

Lupin pulled out his wand and tapped the door once. Harry heard many loud, metallic clicks and what sounded like the clatter of a chain. The door creaked open.
OotP, p58, UK; p60, US

Aha. The first titbit. Everyone else has to ring the doorbell — if it's just a simple matter of tapping the door with his wand, why can't everyone else do that? It'd save Mrs Black being woken up all the time. I mean, they have Dumbledore as a Secret Keeper; they do not need more security measures. Perhaps they just don't want to be interrupted doing... well... I know what I think they were doing. ;)

Ron, Hermione, Fred and George's heads swivelled from Sirius to Mrs Weasley as though they were following a tennis rally. Ginny was kneeling amid a pile of abandoned Butterbeer corks, watching the conversation with her mouth slightly open. Lupin's eyes were fixed on Sirius.
OotP, p84, UK; p88, US

And, forty lines of fierce argument later,

"Personally," said Lupin quietly, looking away from Sirius at last...
OotP, p85, UK; p89, US

That is a long time to have your eyes fixed on someone, especially when the action is going on in other places, too. JKR didn't have to write that in. I can't think of any other examples of one character spending so many lines simply looking at another, when there's so much else going on.

"Yes," said Mrs Weasley, her lip curling, "the thing is, it's been rather difficult for you do look after him while you've been locked up in Azkaban, hasn’t it?"

Sirius started to rise from his chair.

"Molly, you're not the only person at this table who cares about Harry," said Lupin sharply. "Sirius, sit down."

Mrs Weasley's lower lip was trembling. Sirius sank slowly back into his chair, his face white.

OotP, p85-86, UK; p90, US

Remus defends Sirius — 'sharply'. 'Sharply' is a word used twice in relation to Remus talking about Sirius. A far cry from his usual mildness.

And when he tells Sirius to sit down, Sirius does it. One word: whipped.

Ginny did not go quietly. They could hear her raging and storming at her mother all the way up the stairs, and when she reached the hall Mrs Black's ear-splitting shrieks were added to the din. Lupin hurried off to the portrait to restore calm. It was only after he had returned, closing the kitchen door behind him and taking his seat at the table again, that Sirius spoke.
OotP, p86, UK; p91, US

Well. Not only is Remus undertaking responsibilities usually left to the host rather than the guest; Sirius also waits for him to return.

Perhaps you'll disagree — you're entitled — but I think they are behaving very decidedly like a couple here.

"No."

It was not Mrs Weasley who spoke this time, but Lupin.

"The Order is comprised only of overage wizards," he said. "Wizards who have left school," he added, as Fred and George opened their mouths. "There are dangers involved of which you can have no idea, any of you... I think Molly's right, Sirius. We've said enough."

Sirius half-shrugged but did not argue.

OotP, p91, UK; p96, US

Whipped.

Sometimes, however, the visitors stayed to help. Tonks joined them for a memorable afternoon in which they found a murderous old ghoul lurking in an upstairs toilet, and Lupin, who was staying in the house with Sirius but who left for long periods to do mysterious work for the Order, helped them repair a grandfather clock...
OotP, p110, UK; p118, US

'Lupin, who was staying in the house with Sirius'. Not 'Lupin, who was staying in the house to be closer to the Order', or 'Lupin, who was staying in the house because he had nowhere else to go', or even just 'Lupin, who was staying in the house'. He is staying in the house with Sirius.

JKR didn't spend three years writing this book to shove in things that didn't matter.

And I don't usually like this argument much, but look. If one of the Pups were female and started living together, what would you assume? What would the whole fandom assume?

In the chapter 'The Woes of Mrs Weasley', Remus and Sirius are never very far apart. Read into that what you will. It could be nothing.

*Skims through about three hundred pages of irrelevancy*

Sirius and Lupin had given Harry a set of excellent books entitled Practical Defensive Magic and its Use Against the Dark Arts, which had superb, moving colour illustrations of all the counter-jinxes and hexes it described.
OotP, p443, UK; p501, US

They're giving joint presents now? Remus hasn't even written to Harry before, let alone bought him presents. But now he's living with Sirius and putting his name on the gifts. Say what you like. As far as I'm concerned, theirloveissocanon.

*Skims another hundred pages*

With another shock of excitement, Harry saw Sirius give James the thumbs-up. Sirius was lounging in his chair at his ease, tilting it back on two legs. He was very good-looking; his dark hair fell into his eyes with a sort of casual elegance that neither James's nor Harry's could ever have achieved, and a girl sitting behind him was eyeing him hopefully, though he didn't seem to have noticed. And two seats along from this girl — Harry's stomach gave another pleasurable squirm — was Remus Lupin.
OotP, p565, UK; p642, US

I admit that a slow, sly grin crept over my face reading that bit. Sirius, a hormonal fifteen year old boy, ignoring a girl who was eyeing him hopefully? And then, in the next sentence, juxtaposed with this girl, we have Remus. It's almost like an explanation! It's as if JKR’s saying, "Yep, a fifteen-year-old boy being completely indifferent to a girl — and here's why!"

And has anyone ever heard of a straight man whose hair falls 'with a sort of casual elegance'? Ever?

Harry noticed that his father had a habit of rumpling up his hair as though to keep it from getting too tidy, and he also kept looking over at the girls by the water's edge.
OotP, p568, UK; p645, US

James pays attention to the girls. Why doesn't Sirius?

*Skims fifty pages*

Lupin returned with Sirius at his heels moments later.

"What is it?" said Sirius urgently, sweeping his long dark hair out of his eyes and dropping to the ground in front of the fire, so that he and Harry were on a level. Lupin knelt down too, looking very concerned.

OotP, p590, UK; p669, US

Uninvited, even though Harry has specifically asked for Sirius, Remus sits down too. Again, this strikes me as very couple-y.

During this scene there are several occasions of them exchanging glances or looking at one another. I won't type them all out. You get the idea.

"Of course he was a bit of an idiot!" said Sirius bracingly, "we were all idiots! Well — not Moony so much," he said fairly, looking at Lupin.

But Lupin shook his head. "Did I ever tell you to lay off Snape?" he said. "Did I ever have the guts to tell you I thought you were out of order?"

"Yeah, well," said Sirius, "you made us feel ashamed of ourselves sometimes... that was something..."

OotP, p591, UK; p671, US

*Grin* I love that exchange. This is meant to be about Harry, and they're turning it into a little debate amongst themselves. I think it's quite sweet, actually.

And I must add another thing. My friend read this essay and told me to add it in; as a complete romantic novice, I would never have thought of it. Here it is: Sirius makes a sweeping, jovially insulting comment — not one that anyone would be offended by, and he includes himself in it too, after all. But then he singles Remus out and excludes him from the insult. My friend says that she has acted in exactly the same way — she will invariably make an effort not to say anything vaguely offensive about her girlfriend, even though she is happy to make humorously deprecating remarks about herself and all her friends.

"I'm coming up there to have a word with Snape!" said Sirius forcefully, and he actually made to stand up, but Lupin wrenched him back down again.

"If anyone's going to tell Snape it will be me!" he said firmly.

OotP, p592, UK; p672, US

Again Remus acts as a balance, a restraint for Sirius's impulsiveness. Physically, they are very comfortable with one another — probably more comfortable than Ron and Harry.

*Skims another hundred and fifty pages to the worst scene ever*

"He can't come back, Harry," said Lupin, his voice breaking as he struggled to contain Harry.
OotP, p712, UK; p807, US

*Sniffle* As if this scene weren't bad enough. Remus's voice is breaking? That is the single strongest emotion we've seen from him, ever. For someone as collected as him, it's ground-breaking. He hasn't survived twelve years of isolation by crying his eyes out — he is a very strong, very composed person. It must have been really, really awful for him to come that close to losing control.

Lupin turned away from the archway as he spoke. It sounded as though every word was causing him pain.
OotP, p713, UK edition

That is some pain. Bear in mind how restrained he usually is, and bear in mind that at this point, Harry's feeling pretty self-centred (not that I blame him) and probably not very observant of others' emotions. Just exactly how pained does Remus sound? It must be pretty damn bad.

This is what I'm saying. The strongest reactions we ever get from Remus are caused, directly or indirectly, by Sirius. There is something very powerful and very volatile between them. Friendship only? I don't think so.

But you might.

And that's it. That's all we have. We'll never see any more Remus-Sirius interaction, will we? *Wipes eyes* Not unless Harry goes into more Pensieves — it wouldn't surprise me. Nosy beggar.

The next time we see Remus is at King's Cross. JKR makes a point of describing him as very threadbare. The impression we get is extremely forlorn, even though he smiles. Remember what I said earlier — smiling is Remus's default. That's what he falls back on when he doesn't know how else to cope. He asks Harry to keep in touch — I hope Harry does, for more reasons than one.

Which almost concludes my essay. But a few things first. If all this hasn't converted you, here's something to think about: we are never, in five books (three, technically), given any indication of either Remus's or Sirius's sexual orientation. Even with characters such as Dumbledore, McGonagall, Hagrid, Fudge, Crouch Jr, we get some hint. Dumbledore says he blushes when Pomfrey or McGonagall compliment him, McGonagall giggles when Hagrid kisses her on the cheek, Hagrid gets a crush on Madame Maxime, Fudge has a wife, Crouch Jr dances with Sinistra at the Yule Ball.

Sirius and Remus are major characters. Sirius was, canonically, very attractive, and, canonically, had at least one girl lusting after him. You'd expect there to be some rumours about him playing the field — but there aren't. Remus is an absolutely wonderful person who has half the fandom in love with him, including me — werewolf or not, you'd expect him to be snapped up double-quick. But he's not. Why? Why has JKR left it so open-ended? She could have sunk this ship in a sentence. She didn't, and now, the odds are that she won't.

Ignipes from Fictionalley made an excellent point, which I will now quote (with permission, of course):

"Reading through the scenes in which Remus and Sirius both appear, something I notice is that we always know when they are looking at or touching each other. Always. Even if Harry is the focal point of the scene, JKR makes a point of telling us when Remus looks at Sirius, when Sirius looks at Remus, when one of them touches the other, even in the most casual way. Now, I can only speak for myself, but in real life, the only times I'm so acutely aware of every touch and glance is when there is a romantic or intimate overtone to the situation, whether I'm one of the people or watching others interact. That's a level of detail that's hard to write by accident. The only time I would write something with that level of tactile and visual detail is when I intended it to be interpreted as intimacy. And because I don't live in JKR's head, that interpretation is what I find most natural."

As a final point, I have been accused of lacking in imagination for pairing Remus and Sirius. "You're only shipping them because there aren't any women mentioned in canon, and you can't be bothered to create OCs!" my critics cry.

Well, believe that if you must, but allow me to say this: I am not afraid to write OCs. I don't know any other R/S shippers who are afraid to write OCs. I've been writing original novels since long before I discovered fanfiction, and I haven't lost the ability just yet; in my time in fandom, I've not only written Remus/Sirius, I've written Remus/OFC, Remus/OMC and Remus-Sirius friendship fics. I chose R/S as my OTP because I believe in it, and that is all. If you wish to accuse me of being unimaginative, I will gladly send you samples of my writing which prove otherwise.

In conclusion — I haven't proved anything. I can't prove anything. There is nothing in canon that I can point to and say, "There, that proves they're in love." It could well be that they're just very close friends who have been extremely lonely for twelve years and are clinging to any companionship they can get.

I should also say that I love Remus and Sirius's friendship. I don't think an element of romance detracts from it. I certainly would not think of dismissing their closeness as a product of lust, attraction and physical intimacy. They are friends. They are best friends. That is the sort of friendship that the series is about — the friendship that can suffer twelve years of adversity and come out the other side as strong as it ever was.

I will also say that the fact that there is passion between Sirius and Remus doesn't mean they're lovers. They're both passionate people. Between two passionate people, there will certainly be fireworks. It depends on the type.

That there is a profound, unbreakable connection between them is undeniable. How you see it is up to you.

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bagster123
10th Aug, 2003 07:52 (UTC)
Ooh well done on 'This side of the veil'! See, I told you it was brilliant!

The essay. Wow. Good job on that one, and I think it's highly convincing, but I still don't think I'm 100% converted. I reckon about 95%, but it's enough to convert someone. Well, I'm more converted than before anyway!
(Anonymous)
2nd Sep, 2003 08:02 (UTC)
WOW!! :)
Well, I'm converted!
I'd always just *accepted* Remus & Sirius being together, like parents, I'd never really thought about the reasons behind it and I'd never wanted to read any fics with them as the main pairing.
I mean, I'd noticed things like Remus staying in the house and them giving a joined christmas present but I'd never had seen all the rest of it!
So, anyway, that was brilliantly written and highly convincing. I can't see how anyone could read it and not be convinced :)
Anyways, my emails SlashGoddess01@aol.com if you want to chat ever.
kasche
18th Sep, 2003 00:37 (UTC)
Sorry if it took me a while, but I didn't manage to read it until yesterday evening ^^"
Let's say first that I'm a strong R/S shipper, so there's really nothing to persuade here. ;) Still I found some points interesting, and since I like a lot to debate constructively, and I usually do it with persons I esteem, I'm here. ^^
It's implied that I agree with what I don't mention.


"Precisely," said Professor McGonagall. "Black and Potter. Ringleaders of their little gang..."
"You'd have thought Black and Potter were brothers!" chimed in Professor Flitwick. "Inseparable!"

I have a suggestion. [...] It hadn't been so very long since homosexuality was considered a disease.
No, I don't think this is the point. Also because, if they were a couple, I bet Remus tried anything not to let it be of public domain.
Actually, I connect it to his evasive behaviour. He's still young, very young, and his forced to deal with an horrible curse, he has to remember every day that if anyone ever find out who, or what, he is, he'll be forced to leave. While Sirius and James, already boisterous by nature, aren't exactly bothered by matters like this. I wouldn't be surprised, if Remus tried to go unnoticed as much as he could.
So, why he doesn't seem to do it anymore, as an adult? The point is that he is an adult. He reached a balance he was unlikely to have as an hormonal teenager.


Harry sat stunned for a moment at the idea of someone having their soul sucked out through their mouth. But then he thought of Black.

"He deserves it," he said suddenly.

"You think so?" said Lupin lightly. "Do you really think anyone deserves that?"


This time, Remus is the one who brings up the topic of Sirius. Why?
He talks too lightly about Sirius. I don't know if it's just me, but it reminded me about one of the discussions about the death penalty. Discussions that can become pretty heated, but that - at least here in Italy, where it's not applied - still remain somewhat detached anyway. Remus is talking about Sirius as if he didn't know him. He's not really talking about him, but about the penalty. Honestly, I think he's almost trying to persuade himself that he doesn't share the slightest bond with him. Remus doesn't approve of the Kiss, and he tries to stay coherent to his own beliefs. Even if they're talking about Sirius.

Since when is Remus Lupin against capital punishment for the man who betrayed his best friends? He's certainly willing to kill an unarmed Peter Pettigrew, in cold blood, in front of three teenagers.
Cold blood? You sure? Probably this (the willing to kill, I mean) was also his first impulse after that Halloween night on 1981. But then, he had twelve years to think about it, to metabolize his pain, to bring himself to control his impulses again.


He is described as looking at Sirius more than any other character.
Yes, I noticed that. Just think of the dinner at Grimmauld place in Ootp, for instance. He sizes every move Sirius makes, as if he is trying to know him again, or if he is searching in him the boy he knew.
After all, it's been twelve years since he last talked to him, and I presume their final interactions had been far from relaxed, or cozy, or close. He has still in mind the boy from the last years at Hogwarts, and now he's face to face with a man, thirteen or fourteen years older, who has been through experiences that had made him become someone else entirely. But who is he, now?


I interpret that as him being uncertain, not sure whether Remus is going to bother listening to him or not. And he decides it's worth a shot.
Or perhaps he still doesn't let his hopes rise. I connected this scene to the one in Snape's office, with the Marauders' Map, when Remus "seemed to be doing some very quick thinking". (I don't know if the quote is right, I'm relying on my memory alone.) Sirius knows Remus is smart. He himself perhaps had kept on wishing "if I explain myself well enough, he will understand", in the year he's been on the run. But he's not so sure of it anymore, when he's facing the reality.
(And yes, I'm pretty sure he knew of Remus being at Hogwarts, at least after the first raid in the castle.. unless he thought he was having mirages. 'Smell' mirages. But I doubt dogs have mirages of any kind.)

[to be continued ^^"]
miraonthewall
23rd Jul, 2004 18:34 (UTC)
Re: Sorry if it took me a while, but I didn't manage to read it until yesterday evening ^^"
Are we allowed to steal this and put it on our websites as long as your name is on this? 'Cause I have an armload of friends that would die with happiness reading this...
kasche
18th Sep, 2003 00:42 (UTC)
Second instalment
Next moment, he had walked to Black's side, seized his hand, pulled him to his feet so that Crookshanks fell to the floor, and embraced Black like a lover.
I just started laughing on that. XD

*Glares around belligerently* That's what my copy says, all right?
I want one, too.. *sigh*

This entire scene is so charged, and the characters so close to breaking point, that I think Remus would have hugged anyone — James, Peter, Lily, Snape, Harry. Lovers or not.
I understand your point, and I agree with it. Still, Remus with Snape.. Ugh!

However, I do think it's interesting that Remus ignores Harry completely. Makes no attempt to explain things to him.
Well, it's understandable.. the truth is still downing in him, he had to wait for it to sink down before explaining it to someone else. =)

his instinct is to make physical contact. Touch. Hold. Embrace.
Yes. I can understand it very well, too.

when Sirius can't deal with anything, Remus takes over.
*sigh* It just warms your heart. And still there's someone who's not convinced.. *sigh again*


"But apart from my transformations, I was happier than I had ever been in my life. For the first time ever, I had friends, three great friends. Sirius Black... Peter Pettigrew... and, of course, your father, Harry — James Potter..."
Why mention Sirius first? It would, perhaps, have been logical to mention James first, as a talisman to help gain Harry's trust.
I don't know. I think the mention was more functional at the end.. the last words are those one is more likely to concentrate over, the ones that remain fixed more firmly in one's mind.


"I realised what Peter must have done. What I'd done."

His voice broke. He turned away.

"Enough of this," said Lupin, and there was a steely note in his voice Harry had never heard before.

Sirius nearly breaks down, and Remus takes over, again.
Hm.. here, I have doubts. Perhaps Remus isn't ready yet to overcome the (quite obvious, I think) feeling of betrayal he must have felt. "Why didn't you trust me?"
We know, after all, that Remus believed Sirius was the spy after Halloween. We don't know what he was thinking before.
It could be protectiveness. But still, he's seeing Sirius as he had probably never seen him before - weak and guilty. If you're used to see a friend strong and self confident, even if it can upset you sometimes, you get used to it. Even if you don't approve, you start considering it as "right". As "normal". And seeing all of this shattered can make you angry, you may childishly think that "he's not allowed to feel insecure, this is my role, he has to be strong".
Well, "never before" is not quite right- I can think of another circumstance when Sirius could have felt this way. That is still linked to angry feelings from the other's part.
Well, it's just my thinking, anyway.

[to be continued, again]
kasche
18th Sep, 2003 00:46 (UTC)
Third and last, thanks god!
Also... "It used to be us... me and Remus... and James..." Me and Remus. Like a unit.
Oh, yes, I noticed it.. ^_______^ I have an idiotic grin plastered on my face, right now. And it's not going away. Not that I'm really trying, though. XD

Interesting, isn't it, that Sirius's Animagus is — er — physically compatible with the werewolf?
No, please, everything but the bestiality.. ^^"


Everyone else has to ring the doorbell — if it's just a simple matter of tapping the door with his wand, why can't everyone else do that?
Obvious answer - probably because no one else is currently living in this house with Sirius. ^^ I'm fairly sure this is your answer, too. XD


I think Molly's right, Sirius. We've said enough."

Sirius half-shrugged but did not argue.

And there is still people who thinks of Remus as of a uke. *smirks*


*Skims through about three hundred pages of irrelevancy*
GOD, Remus is INEXISTENT in Ootp! One of the things that drove me mad, especially after how I've felt happy when I first saw him! =.=


Sirius, a hormonal fifteen year old boy, ignoring a girl who was eyeing him hopefully?
Oh yes, I literally shined when I read that piece XDDD

"He can't come back, Harry," said Lupin, his voice breaking as he struggled to contain Harry.
Lupin turned away from the archway as he spoke. It sounded as though every word was causing him pain.

Yes. Since I already knew Sirius was the one going to die, the first thing I searched for has been Remus' reaction. And it's quite interesting that Remus is the one restraining Harry. It could have been Moody, and no one would have noticed. (No one apart from the S/R shippers, surely. *grin*)
His reaction, seeing how he's always controlled, is quite evident. I really doubt we'll ever see Remus break down, or cry, or whatever. After this, I hoped to see more of him.. to see how he actually handled his (at least) best friend's death, after the initial shock withdrew. Anyone who suffered a loss knows that you don't really realize it until at least some days. We're not given to see it, I think what we see at King's Cross is the phase that is right after. And anyway, I doubt Remus will let anyone else see how he's hurting, let alone Harry. Remus isn't "the closest thing he has to a father", as Sirius was, still probably he feels compelled to protect the boy.

Yes, I finished. ^^" I didn't there were maximum character length limits, on comments..
totemwolfie
8th Dec, 2003 20:00 (UTC)
"And there is still people who thinks of Remus as of a uke. *smirks*"

Mmm...I think personally that if they are lovers that they probably switch. Maybe while in school Remus /was/ the uke, but maybe now with Sirius being so worn from the prison and stressed out, that maybe Remus is the seme. Though I think that, even if Sirius does seem whipped, that sometimes Remus might /need/ him to be the seme you know?

I think they would be whatever the other needed him to be.

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(Anonymous)
9th Oct, 2003 12:33 (UTC)
I'm a puppyshipper too, so I've been converted, but this is a really in depth essay. Kudos for finding and commenting on all of our canon tidbits. Anyway, here's something else I noticed. You had the quote but you didn't make the point I did. I posted on it at FictionAlley, so I'm just cutting and pasting.

[Sirius said to Peter,] "You always liked big friends who'd look after you, didn't you? It used to be us...me and Remus...and James...." PoA 369 US

See how Sirius groups his name with Remus's? He seperates James's because James is dead, and he's being respectful, and it hurts to think about it and all of that, yes. But look what he says - "me and Remus." He doesn't use proper grammar; he doesn't say "Remus and I." The only time I do something like that is when I'm talking about my boyfriend; I say "me and Dave," not "Dave and I." And, I don't think Sirius was just using improper grammar because he had spent so much time as Padfoot. That would be a legitmate excuse, except he speaks quite intelligently the rest of the time they're in the shack, and uses big words, such as "afterwards", "imprisoned", "communicate", "bluff", "regained", "vermin", "cringing", and "appointed". So, since the rest of his speech is up to par, I think that Sirius was used to thinking of his relationship with Remus as a Sirius'n'Remus thing, where their names are slurred into one word because they are always used together.

Anyway, excellent job! You really hit the nail on the head, and I especially like this ‘DAMN, That’s Perfect, Why Didn’t I See It Before?’! Heeheehee. Too cute.
(Anonymous)
2nd Jul, 2004 23:30 (UTC)
Actually...
Not to be picky, but Sirius is using proper grammar. It is like saying, "It used to me." He says, "It used to be us...me and Remus...and James."
Well...yeah, that's my two cents.

Hooray Remus/Sirius by the way!
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(Anonymous)
10th Oct, 2003 22:06 (UTC)
amazing
Wow, I've been a S/R shipper for quite some time, my favorite ship actually. but even I didn't pick up on some of those littler details. This was very interesting to read.
“Professor Lupin,” Harry interrupted loudly, “what’s going — ?”

But he never finished the question, because what he saw made his voice die in his throat. Lupin was lowering his wand. Next moment, he had walked to Black’s side, seized his hand, pulled him to his feet so that Crookshanks fell to the floor, and embraced Black like a lover.
I read that, and did a double-take. I didn't even read on, I got up ran to my room got out PoA and said, "hey! it says brother!" heh. It would have been so much better if it did say lover though. Great essay. Also loved the joke at the beginning about hiding Sirius under their robes. Dirty! :) Again, great job. If there was any doubt in my mind before, it would definitely be gone. I personally think S/R is one of the most conon-ical pairings off all of them.
attaasa
27th Feb, 2005 04:41 (UTC)
Re: amazing
I didn't notice those small details either... and the bit about the cloak... Yup yup yup... I think that Remus was missing out on an oportunity by not hiding Sirius under his robes... lol
Anywho... I really like this essay, it makes so much sense! even though ive always been a Remus/Sirius shipper... -_-'
boho_life
12th Oct, 2003 21:11 (UTC)
Hey, Elwing! It's Sparky [CousinYogurt99] and I've come to t00b on this entry...once again, I LOVE IT. Can I friend you?
(Anonymous)
15th Oct, 2003 10:50 (UTC)
Printed this off last night, simply because I cannot read things on a computer screen. Makes my head hurt. But hell, this stuff is so true!

“You’re wrong,” said Lupin. “I haven’t been Sirius’s friend for twelve years, but I am now... let me explain...”

That's the thing that got me the most. It's so weird that he'd forgive him so easily. I just think that - I dunno. Theirloveissocanon. And it's true.

But yes, whilst I was reading this, most of the time I was nodding in agreement with the things that I'd noticed, or squeeing at the things I hadn't, and that you'd pointed out.

And can you believe that I never noticed the staring? How could I not? Then again, I was trying to beat my friends to the finish line. I even took a day off school to finish it.

*whines* What?! I was ill!
madilayn
6th Nov, 2003 01:00 (UTC)
What an excellent essay. Of course - I am 100% puppy shipper (although I have written a fic (to be a series) where he is married and het) and this essay is very well thought out.

And I totally agree - they are so - couply! If you look at it they interact in exactly the same way as Molly and Arthur Weasley.

Remus definately has Sirius exactly where he wants him - and Sirius knows it. But you also get the idea that it also goes the other way.

Anyway - excellent!
jedibix783
17th Nov, 2003 08:59 (UTC)
Thanks so much
This essay is just fantastic. I bookmarked it for future reading fun and passing on to friends... thanks so much for writing it!
(Anonymous)
17th Nov, 2003 17:18 (UTC)
This is great!
I'm a definite Remus/Sirius shipper, but if I wasn't, this would sell me on it! You do a wonderful job analyzing things I wouldn't have thought, and they all really make sense. Great essay! Thank you :)
orlystar
1st Dec, 2003 21:35 (UTC)
Somebody from siriusxremus pointed me towards here. I'm making a site dedicated to canon proof of them being together, and I was wondering if I could duplicate this with total credit for the site. ^_^

P.S- Thanks for making my cry XD ::wipes tears away::
elwing_alcyone
2nd Dec, 2003 15:15 (UTC)
Absolutely, go right ahead. I'm glad you like it. :)

Actually, there's a slightly updated version, where I've clarified some points and added a couple of new ones. If you like I can email it to you. (It might take a while, though, as I am ridiculously busy at the moment.)
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kit_maxel
1st Dec, 2003 22:58 (UTC)
hey, linked here from
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hey, linked here from <lj-community="siriusxremus">, just wanted to say that this is brilliant. PoA was the first HP book I read and Remus and Sirius have always been my favorites (I was really upset when Remus wasn't in GoF and Sirius just barely). I didn't actually start reading HP fanfiction 'til after I finished OoTP and pretty much the first thing I found was S/R. Most slash pairings seem a little bizarre to me for a while, but this one instantly seemed right, even though I couldn't really say why. I applaud you for actually looking for the why. ^_^

*bookmarks*
kit_maxel
1st Dec, 2003 23:00 (UTC)
gr. link tags. I hail from remusxsirius
infinitenights
2nd Dec, 2003 20:29 (UTC)
*claps*
Wow.
First of all, I'm just ashamed at how long it's taken me to appreciate the slashyness of the Harry Potter books...I've written slash for awhile, but it's always been music slash and for some reason I always swore away from Potter slash. I guess 'cause I thought it was all Harry/Draco and I'm sorry, but that does NOTHING for me.
But, long story short, I woke up and realized that there are plenty of other slashable characters from the series...and Sirius/Remus has to be my second favorite pairing. (Only behind Severus/Remus only because the possibilites for angst are just SO wonderful and Snape is my favorite character.) But yes, this essay was magnificant. I laughed a lot and said, "How did I not notice that?!" The best was the staring thing. You've totally got me convinced on the canon-ness of Sirius/Remus. Fuckyeah!
Haha so yeah, I just figured you took the time to write 16 pages for this so I might as well comment. But now I've gone onto rambling. I'm just so excited that I've discovered a world of slash fics that will keep me busy reading until the 6th Harry Potter book comes out...
Boylove!
Beth
mousapelli
8th Dec, 2003 16:41 (UTC)
woo! found my way over here via ramen_addict and boy am I glad I did. I think you pretty much sum it up with :

JKR didn’t spend three years writing this book to shove in things that didn’t matter.</i>

That's the bottom line. Harry is clueless most of the time, but it's his POV we're stuck with. Thank god for JKR's attention to detail...
totemwolfie
8th Dec, 2003 19:31 (UTC)
Beautifully written. *g*

Dont forget too that Dumbledore did send Sirius to hide out with Remus too ;)
els_chan
9th Dec, 2003 10:50 (UTC)
Brilliant. Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant. I have a few people I have to show this to. BRILLIANT.
idroppedarice
6th Feb, 2004 07:06 (UTC)
Absolutely wonderful essay! No, really, I think it's great. I don't know if there was enough to convince some of my friends though. Some parts, if a little more explicit in their explanation rather than 'interpret it for yourself', may have been the clincher in converting completely non-R/S shippers. But don't take me the wrong way, I love the essay. The quotes you pulled were magnificent and extremely relevant. It was a pleasure to read, really, considering I hate reading anything that's non-fiction. :p

He was very good-looking; his dark hair fell into his eyes with a sort of casual elegance that neither James’s nor Harry’s could ever have achieved, and a girl sitting behind him was eyeing him hopefully, though he didn’t seem to have noticed. And two seats along from this girl — Harry’s stomach gave another pleasurable squirm — was Remus Lupin.

OotP, p565, UK; p642, US

I admit that a slow, sly grin crept over my face reading that bit. Sirius, a hormonal fifteen year old boy, ignoring a girl who was eyeing him hopefully? And then, in the next sentence, juxtaposed with this girl, we have Remus. It’s almost like an explanation! It’s as if JKR’s saying, “Yep, a fifteen-year-old boy being completely indifferent to a girl — and here’s why!”


Oh, that is so perfect! Exactly what I was thinking when I read that scene.

I'm definitely printing this essay out so I can take it to school and show my friends. All 16 pages, it's definitely worth it.

Btw, I've friended you, if you don't mind that is. :)
beautifulso_up
15th Feb, 2004 21:45 (UTC)
I adored this essay so much. I was alread completely converted, but it was great to read. Adding it to my favourites to come back and re-read. But I can't believe there was so much I didn't notice! *hangs head in shame*
But yeah, I loved it, and very, very good job!
corporal_katz
16th Feb, 2004 09:54 (UTC)
What a wonderful essay! I was already a true believer in their canon-love, but this essay just made me smile. It's funny, I was looking for something like this a few days ago, and someone just posted the link to it in the S/R LJ not long after. Anyways, you make some very excellent points. OotP was thick with S/R ambiguity. Even though I hated the ending, like most of the Shippers do, I also loved it for the interaction those two had.

Any chance of you posting the newer version of this essay? If not could you e-mail it too me if you have the time? Pinkkatz77@hotmail.com

Thanks! And again, fantastic work!

- Katz
elwing_alcyone
26th Feb, 2004 17:06 (UTC)
Thank you very much! I'm very glad you liked it. And sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you, I'm utterly dreadful about replying to things.

This actually is the most recent version of the essay; I cleverly inserted the new bits and forgot to change the section at the top saying "This is the first draft". *Rolls eyes at self* But you've helped remind me and it's clearer now.

Again, thanks. :) It's good to know people enjoy reading it.
notyetxbroken
19th Feb, 2004 23:49 (UTC)
...
( This is Molly ; rainb0w_i3rite from Kiwibox / Harry Potter postboard. Just letting you know. =p )

Anyway Olly, this essay is great. It really is. I can't decide if I'm convinced or not, but I'm much more convinced now than I was before reading this. *hugs you* I'm sure that will make you happy. You really do bring up some good points, though ... I'm too lazy to go back through and find them now, but they're there. *nods* Anyway, feel happy - you've brought one more person that much closer to shipping R/S with you. *grin*

<33
(Anonymous)
29th Feb, 2004 11:42 (UTC)
Well, this essay is brilliant.
When I read your essay, it striked me how everything had sense under that light. All falls into place. I liked them as a couple in fanfic but couldn´t honestly say that I thought Rowling hadn´t depicted two heterosexual guys. I confess I´ve reread several times many bits of PoA and OotP looking for hints, but I just found that in OotP they were close, but that didn´t mean they were toghether.
However, in PoA I had noticed Lupin´s strange behaviour, -that suitcase that falls- I was puzzled everytime I read that part. I hadn´t made the connection that you have made: Lupin´s odd behaviour regarding Black means something.

It´s funny how JKR has purposely written things that she needn´t. Lupin´s reactions add mistery to PoA plot, you know something´s going on, and when we reach the ending we justify those little details and forget about them, because they only mean nothing more that a bit of spice for the mistery. It is less interesting if Lupin says: Yes, your father, Black, Pettigrew and me were close friends and had lots of adventures toghether. Lupin could do with just hating Sirius as he later hates Peter, or just being cold headed about Sirius, after all those years. But not: Subtract all the mystery from the plot and dialogues. What is left? Lupin´s feelings for Sirius seem different from his feelings for others.

But you have blamed Remus enough. Let me add more bits of evidence against Sirius:
In OotP, ch.14, he makes comments about Remus.
Funny and touching how we always have in mind our partners. “My boyfriend says that…He thinks….” It is quite usual.

Sirius is untamed, a typical rebel, so typical he even has a motorbike. He rejects any kind of authority, he discusses Dumbledore´s orders, Molly´s points, his family, the Ministry…but there is Remus, who seems to placate him, and to have tamed him –whipped, you say, LOL. Remus is the only one able to make Sirius act reasonably, and that´s something when you speak of a rebel as Sirius. Lupin is the only source of authority he allows without fight. It is remarkable that everytime Lupin asks Sirius to sit down or shut up, very direct and sharp orders, there´s not a scowl or an angry sound as an answer. He isn´t annoyed, uncomfortable or hurt. That´s inconsistent! I agree with you about Inconsistency. It is has meaning and written for a purpose.

There´s something that puzzles me: what is the meaning of the Marauders scene under the tree when Sirius wishes it was full moon –knowing that it hurts Remus-, and then Sirius answering -rudely, IMO. is he angry against Remus spending so much time with books?-. And then Sirius doing something that is going to upset Remus: attack someone. Perhaps it can be a kind of teenage romantic stupidity, where Sirius only wants to bother Remus looking for a reaction, to get all his attention. Remus´attention is focused on his book, and Sirius could be angry with this.

Still more evidence, at least for me: the reaction that straight grown up men have for these two characters:
Two adults, men, straight, have told me several times that Sirius and Lupin are good people but at the same time they are highly suspicious about them. They say there´s something weird with them, something strange going on, that they are hiding something. When I ask them, they never have said what exactly is that bothers them. Before reading your essay I didn´t know what they were referring to. But now it strikes me that it can be that straight men feel there´s something they instinctively reject.

Just let me add one more thing: JKR talks about prejudices, that´s what all the stuff about mudbloods, half-breeds, elfs, etc is about. She´s a young modern woman, -very young at heart, I´d say- she´s likely to be against homophobic prejudices. It´s not unlikely that she chose to write about a gay couple, but knowing it´s a kid´s tale, it´s written with a subtetly that doesn´t show it openly at all. If she said it openly, she would be condemned by a part of her readers, teachers, parents, politicians, clergy…Too risky, but still she has written what she wants.

In five books there´s no clear sign of Sirius´ or Remus´ heterosexuality. As you say, this ship could have been sunken with a single word.

ncascanuez
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4th Mar, 2004 12:52 (UTC)
Just a line to say I´m a registered member now.
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ecah
6th Mar, 2004 00:11 (UTC)
Your essay was recommended to me by a friend and though I've been an R/S shipper for some time, your essay opened up for me some of the real argument behind it. They're perfect for each other, I've always known that, your essay showed me the evidence.

There are only a few points I'd like to express my opinion on:

"Naturally," said Madam Rosmerta, with a small laugh. "Never saw one without the other, did you? The number of times I had them in here — ooh, they used to make me laugh. Quite the double act, Sirius Black and James Potter!"

Harry dropped his tankard with a loud clunk. Ron kicked him.

"Precisely," said Professor McGonagall. "Black and Potter. Ringleaders of their little gang..."

[snip]

"You'd have thought Black and Potter were brothers!" chimed in Professor Flitwick. "Inseparable!"
PoA, p152, UK

Okay, I know what you're thinking: 'What's she quoting that bit for? That's hardly supporting her ship!'

Oh, but it is. To me, the fact that Remus isn't mentioned once in this little sequence is... very strange, to say the least. We have seen how close he and Sirius were. There's an amazing bond between them. Didn't that merit a mention? Did they only become close after Hogwarts? Why wasn't Remus included in this?


While I don't doubt that there may have been some kind relationship between Remus and Sirius that they desired to keep secret, I really don't want this to undermine James and Sirius' relationship. I truly believe when McGonagall says they were like brothers, they were like brothers. All of them were, but I think it's clear that James and Sirius were exceptionally close--in a platonic way. Sirius felt hugely responsible, he was devastated, when James died. He loves Harry, not only for his own individulity, but because he is the son of his best friend in the world. He escaped to the Potters when things went wrong at home. Sirius and James loved each other, though in a different way than Remus and Sirius.

There were other bits and pieces too but I've run out of time and though this may be unnecessary--I'm sure you realize that James and Sirius were close--I felt the need to say something because so many people, in their zeal for R/S, forget the bond that two platonic male friends can share is also profound.
guza
19th Mar, 2004 05:38 (UTC)
I came across your essay by following some random links, and I know we don't know each other, but I just had to comment.

Ever since OotP came out, it seems like there's been this huge rush of Sirius/Remus shippers - and I didn't really understand why.

I didn't really see why they thought that S and R were a couple. I didn't see any hints in the books about it - but that's probably because I don't read too deeply into the books about characters that I'm not really interested in.

But, since reading your essay, I have to say that I'm absolutely convinced. You've single-handedly managed to persuade a person living on H.M.S Switzerland to actually start liking a ship. And not only that, you've gotten me interested in both the characters.

So yes... thank you for writing this essay. :)

I'm going to go and plug it in my journal.

(Anonymous)
16th Mar, 2005 15:20 (UTC)
Your essay was recommended to me by a friend barely half an our ago and of course I just had to read it at once.
Since I've been a die hard S/R-shipper for years, there wasn't any need to convince me any more, however I think it was a great idea to collect all of the quotes and analyse them systematically - some of them I had already found myself (like the one about Lupin staying in the Black house WITH SIRIUS" ^^) but others like the one with the girl eyeing Sirius and Remus sitting two seats away I never noticed, so - thank you!!

And I agree with what ncascanuez said, me too I think Sirius and Remus being a homosexual couple is very plausible because of JKR's preoccupation with tolerance towards people who are different.
In fact one could even say the objective of the whole Harry Potter series is to morally educate the young readers and make them think about things like discrimination, racism and prejudices of every kind [and is it just me or is the situation gettting just soo WWII-like!?], so making two main characters whon the readers are bound to love into a gay couple... to be, that would be exatly what a JKR would do!!

But as ncascanuez pointed out, because of the possibility of protest from intolerant and narrow-minded parents, teachers, priests etc and maybe even repercussions [I heard in the US some fanatic groups were burning HarryPotter-books -_-;] she didn't dare say it too openly.

beko (jo-chan@gmx.at if anyone feels like chatting~)
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